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is physical cash, not going away. at tubman andrry andrew jackson on the $20 bill? sec. mnuchin: the number one reason we look at making currency changes is because of counterfeiting. we look at changes -- there are three or four different parts, some of which are public and some aren't in the currencies. that's what i'm focused on at the moment. any change won't be -- i think it 2028, so these changes are far out in the future. i'm focused on the moment on how to protect the currency and technology changes to it. mr. tapper: give it up for treasury secretary steven mnuchin. [applause] ♪ here we are, andrea mitchell
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was getting an award last night, saying we are the eyes and ears of the people. the audience can decide. katie, you were plucked out of the press pen, given a nickname as if you were a candidate, little katie. president trump treated you like one. you have a number two new york times bestseller. it takes us from the campaign -- >> i like the smattering of applause. >> it's an unbelievably good read. spoiler alert, trump wins. brieflyatie, take us , andbeing in the press pen in the hallway outside of morning joe, in new hampshire. katie: it's interesting to share that nickname with marco rubio and kim jong-un, who is also little rocket man.
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2015, robert,f you can attest to this, not many folks were taking donald trump as a candidate seriously. , ands creating controversy nbc news dropped his news from the network. macy's was dropping him, univision was dropping him. nbc news said we have to have a reporter covering trump's campaign, and i was literally standing around the newsroom, so they assigned me to it. >> it takes six months? ms. tur: it was going to take six weeks, because he wasn't going to release his tax returns -- his financial information. surely, he would get laughed off stage. everybody was wrong about his prospects. we got lucky because we started
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taking it seriously much earlier than anyone else did. i would be following donald trump from campaign rally to campaign rally for months on end , when i was the most familiar face to him in a crowd. it would be me and -- and local news reporters, and he wouldn't know anyone. we would end up having longer conversations. -- iirst time i was ever ever shared the same air as donald trump was the first rally i went to. he was just holding his greatest campaign hits -- he was just honing his greatest campaign hits. the media is terrible, i get the greatest standing ovations of anybody. and then he called me out from the crowd, katie, you haven't even looked up at me once. i remember thinking, how does he know my name, know that i'm here .
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i yelled back at him, i'm tweeting what you're saying. he liked that and he moved on. [laughter] i became essentially the stand and for the media. he always knew that if he looked out in the crowd and saw the press pen, when his lights were on you, you can't see anybody standing by the cameras. he knew that i would be there, because i was at every rally. when he wanted to rail against the press and make it personal, he knew he could call me out and i would become the face of it. he also didn't tend to like my reporting, because i would often -- fact check him or say things he didn't think were fair. and then there was the moment everyone talks about, the moment , going into the morning joe thinkalso earlier -- i november 2015. donald trump doesn't know the rules for boundaries of
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politics. he doesn't know what is appropriate and inappropriate. i think that has become clear in what he tweets and says. in this instance, i just got off of morning joe and talked about his change of tone in the moment before. he seemed to like it because he walked in and put his hands on my shoulders and kissed me on the cheek. not an appropriate thing to do among colleagues, friends, family gatherings, but when it is someone who is running to sit in the oval office, running for president, doing it to a reporter who covered his campaign, it can cross the line. least,s me, at the very seem like my reporting is not going to be fair. our member thinking to myself, nobody is going to take me seriously, hoping the cameras wouldn't catch it. as i was asking if the cameras
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did, i heard donald trump on stage, on air, with mika and joe, saying what happened to katie tour. she was so great, i had to kiss her. he did example of how -- iake his candidacy don't want to say seriously, because that's not the right way, but he did not understand the boundaries of political life and the boundaries between a candidate and a reporter, and what the role of a free press is . i would venture to say he still has a hard time understanding that. [applause] >> he certainly, with fake news and enemies, i think it's safe to say that donald trump has not kissed you. >> joe biden has. [laughter] >> that's another story for
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another day. that's another presidential run. trump knows you, though, maybe quite well -- you in the hat, because he watches snl as we know. he phoned you. it's a little bit of what happens with katie. he railed against you, but then he embraces you, phones you, he -- >> my contacts with trump go back further. i think it is noteworthy that a lot of people who covered him in haveriefing room right now started off in tabloids in new york city. i was thinking about this. i may be wrong, but prior to covering him as a presidential candidate, my last two interactions with him were not returning his phone calls when he was pushing for an exit ramp on the west side highway for his
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development program. described --be former mayor, and koch, used to be described as unavoidable for comment. donald trump has taken that stick national. i would say cosmic. he is the compulsive communicator. everything is transactional. he holds grudges, he ascribes toal characteristics positive and negative press. if you write something positive about him, it is immediately transformed into a moral virtue. if you write something negative, it is a negative moreover true. is willingscenes, he and dealing. it's like negotiating over buying a used car. he wants to sell you on an idea. , peoplen anything else
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misunderstand him in a fundamental way. heart, not a real estate guy, a politician, a businessman. he is the salesman. he is what willie loman would have been if he were successful. characteristice of not only wanting to sell you but every great salesman, and donald trump is a phenomenal salesman, maybe one of the greatest in the history of this country, they are carnegie, eat your heart out -- dale carnegie, eat your heart out. >> he has the shoeshine and not to smile. by how- i'm struck little he actually smiles. there's never a joyous moment for him. thank you for seamlessly filling the shoes of gwen eiffel at washington week and review. a great job. [applause] bring us up-to-date.
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there's a piece in the washington post that takes us on air force one. trump is returning from huntsville, alabama. now we know that his candidate has lost. it seems like trump will take over for the republican party -- that his takeover of the republican party, does not mean he can drag of -- dragon incumbent across the finish line. steve bannon's candidate one. he's isolated, angry, dare i say, low energy in this fight. >> it's an interesting moment in this trump presidency. we are about 150 days into his term and he is struggling to navigate washington, and especially to navigate the party for two years. he is searching for wins, and it is intriguing to cover him.
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he is not driven by ideology or the same values that have shaped the republican party since ronald reagan's presidency. he is searching for victory. he has been able to confirm the supreme court justice, but a major legislative win is out of his grasp. you see him trying in the alabama race where he endorsed luther strange to get the establishment of the republican party to get him -- to work with him, make some progress and that on stalled objectives like health care and taxes. the president, whose power comes from the base, has a base that identifies with him this really, on his grievances with the culture and establishment, but they don't necessarily take orders from him. he remains their leader in spirit. they don't seem to be breaking away from the president, but breaking away from following him point by point. they went with judge moore instead of strange. this set consequences for president trump.
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he may still have the base with him in 2018 if he chooses to run again in 2020, but the base is not going to be helpful, at least on every turn, and trying to get legislation through congress. , he keepss these wins talking about his accomplishments, but if you tally them up beyond gorsuch, they are executive orders, executive authority he is bragging about. even those actions have been challenged by the courts. if we evaluate this moment, we see the president continued to express confidence on foxnews news and twitter that he's getting so much done. alabama was a wake-up call that he hasn't figured out the formula he needs to get the compliments he wants. >> katie, yesterday trump was tweeting about his accomplishments. the most of any president. it includes renaming of the a center. women's entrepreneur week,
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turning back obama era rules. the art of the deal. the salesman that glenn speaks of. the coin of the realm for him as he can make a deal, but he hasn't made any. that's hishim as -- calling card, is he a dealmaker? his callingt is card. he's been selling himself as a dealmaker for decades. he is a self promoter more than anything else. he creates a razzle-dazzle. he convinces people he is too big, too good, too much of a genius to fail. people buy into that. that and extended it with his run on the apprentice. don't discount that. ,eople on the campaign trail supporters, would point to that and say donald trump will know who to hire.
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i've seen him on the apprentice. [laughter] >> you laugh, but it's true. -- you're right, he doesn't have control of his base, at the same time, they feel like they know what he wants even when he is not at liberty to say it or do it. his base new that judge roy moore was more in line with what donald trump would have wanted. it was mitch mcconnell and the establishment republicans that endorseding him to luther strange. he had the ability to convince folks that they could believe whatever they wanted to believe about donald trump. he would take all sides of an issue. it's because he didn't stand for one thing in particular. that's part of his appeal to people. this is a guy who can make whatever deals he's going to make.
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he'll work with democrats, republicans, find a way to convince independents. he's just going to get things done. he doesn't have a track record of doing it. toon't know when he's going pull something over the line, when he's going to sign legislation. i don't know if his base is going to hold him accountable for it. what he's going to do, what we would see or hear when he would , it'so folks out there everybody else's fault but donald trump. it's congress's fault, the swap won't let him perform things. the media is not on his side. he could do it, but you guys want to stop it because he wants to help us and you want to help your special interests. thee is a great quote from campaign trail -- i talked to a man and he said why do you like donald trump -- and i asked him why you like donald trump?
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he said i'm going to build the wall. bus, since i'mle not katie to her, i wouldn't be recognized -- katie tur. a completely forgiving tone about what trump did. what ill say, he will do would do, and i'm not always going to get it right. completely forgiving. nbc, the failing new york times, the post, all of the fake news, covering the mueller investigation, which must make it harder for you to cover a fairly paranoid white house at this point. are not organized enough to be operationally paranoid. [laughter] the time, they are more just with each other than
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with mueller. >> for with you. >> or with us. i think it is way overstated, the hostility toward the press. it was topical early on when spicer was going through his first set of gyrations before we had him cleaning himself up on the emmys. it really was walking into that building, a hostile environment, for the first 3-5 months. it has hunkered down into the .sual warfare the relationship between the front line press people and the white house and most media folks is, amicable. the issue is that the main problem is the truth issue. they say things routinely that .re false or contorted the nutritional value of your interactions with anyone in the white house, pre-mueller, post mueller, tend to be of the junk
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food variety. [laughter] >> you are off twitter. this is something that everyone on the white house -- everyone in the white house wants trump to get off twitter. the john kelly get you to do it? >> i take methadone, which is -- actually, facebook is methadone for twitter. [laughter] my bosses are probably pretty pleased with my decision to do this. i just found, my colleague and i are going to be working on a book on the presidency, and i had a realization. i took twitter off my phone probably about a month ago, and it was liberating. trying toing, organize my day, about 1.5 weeks ago, and around 7:00 in the morning, making my schedule, laying things out, and i looked
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up and it was not :00. what happened was that i had ine off on one of these -- got emotional on twitter and someone said something nasty, and it hijacked my day. i had realized that the balance got out of whack. i decided to get rid of it, and i have to say there are downsides. tweeting out the good work of my colleagues, it's nice to have a platform with 350,000 people to broadcast two. i should have control over my day. bob, are you still waiting for trump to pivot? [laughter] still waiting for that? is it possible, or have we realized that to trump, on the campaign, the trump of the early white house, this is the trump
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that we have? >> on the pivot question, i think most people are in the same space reporters are, which is that he does pivot from time to time, turn to a different issue, a different front, but he is so unreliable that he is not ever going to pivot and continue in a certain direction. we see it with a bipartisan deal he cut on the debt ceiling, and on the budget. there was one week of stories of the president moving in a bipartisan direction, then a few weeks later, it's the nfl or these racially charged controversies about patriotism and controversial issues. democrats are alarmed, and any kind of inroads he made with them -- they would be washed away by a pivot to another place. it's a competition time -- it's a complicated time for president trump. he doesn't know where to go.
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he loves the adulation that comes with bipartisanship, but he doesn't have a core conviction that will keep him moving in that direction. which is why i have doubts every time i hear president trump moving toward a new place. yes, but keep -- race relations, the nfl, it's not going to cut clean for him. even the owners worked with him. know, is any attention good attention? is there any strategy behind -- his proponents say this is strategic. he wants these distractions. it doesn't bother him when the nfl takes up for days and were not paying attention to health care.
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and the tax bill, maybe it detracts from that. the day afterk to the access hollywood tapes came out in october last year. i spoke to president trump by .hone -- then candidate trump his advisers told him to quit the race, to apologize profusely. he said none of that. i trust my instincts, my understanding of news coverage. i've been through different things in life, personally. .ankruptcies he believes that he alone can decide what is best for him, and his advisers can only go so far in counseling him. makes why he continues to these decisions, these incendiary decisions, because he believes that's how he connects with his base. >> lightning round. does trump get impeached, reelected, where do we go from here? >> all of the above. i don't know.
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he could get impeached, he could quit, he could not run again, and he could run and get elected. >> none of it would surprise you? >> he is full of options. >> two things. ditto. i retweet it, verbally. the thing i would say is that if mike pence somehow becomes president, i'm not saying he will, i don't think he has an easy time. he was involved in early decision-making with michael flynn. that in this scenario where pants becomes president, i think it's unlikely. i think he becomes an object of significant scrutiny. [applause] the biggest asterisk in american politics is robert mueller. we can speculate all we want, know is very serious. if you


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